We should let the Lord direct people in their belief. Genesis 15:9; 17:9. healings and miracles, etc. I must say your eisegesis is astonishing. Once burned twice shyis not a bilixal concept!!! Goodbye Christianity. Share on telegram. etc. Sadly, it is no miracle. The whole leg lengthening thing at the start would have caused me to delete it and chalk it up to a fraud In all honesty, my reaction from the first video is I dont believe it. He believes he is a self appointed apostle with a "Last Reformation" belief system. Isnt it true that we all usually cease arguing and just start being in awe and amazement and gratitude and joy when Jesus walks in us and does His wonderful works in us? It is in our HEART how we treat the things of God but that is what repentance is for, and growth. Jesus died for US and it was done perfectly! My only goal is that all would come to a point of repentance and that our Lord Jesus Christ would be glorified. The Bible says that a quantity of sick, blind, lame and crippled came to this place, the pool of Bethesda [35][36]. In this case, I dont know if Toben is an elder or not as that fact is not made clear. their church out of control by the gifted ones. And he saw people being healed, getting up off of sick beds in the hospital, going home well, etc. So called religious devotion and zeal initiated by man IS UNHOLY AND PROFANE regardless out good intentions! The man removed the wooden leg and stood before Seymour standing on his one good leg. Amen., jda016 Jonathon, at one time B.Johnson of Bethel, denied the deity of Christ Jesus our Lord thereby teaching a false christ, a different Jesus. Why there are so many conflicting statements here on the blog & not always the truth is that people have not been taught how God desires His Word to be interpreted. I asked her if me and my apprentice could pray for her. This is the church! Luk 9:50 KJV And Jesus said unto him, FORBID HIM NOT: for he that is not against us IS FOR US. They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. He also began the Jesus Center in Denmark, which trained disciples from 30 nations to spread this message around the world. He did not create us as clones, but as unique individuals, according to (and for) His pleasure. My experience has shown me that a manifested miracle of God will always shake people who do not believe because it is not logical or normal and will cause brains who do not believe to go haywire for short period of time because logical dots will not connect with supernatural dots. [url removed]. I found this with water immersion in the Name of the Lord. But let Gods people yield to Jesus and let their Jesus light shine out of them and the world will begin to hate Gods people, will begin to respect Gods people, will begone to fear Gods people and multitudes will begin to LISTEN TO GODS PEOPLE for the lost sheep will begin hear the voice of the Shepherd IN HIS PEOPLE AND WILL FOLLOW HIM. and he says to them depart from Me, you worker of iniquity. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` Accordingly, I cannot judge your motives or your walk with the Lord, nor can you judge mine. amount of `gobly gook.`. Can worn them of sin & bondage without feeling like a hypocrite If you dont believe that Bill Johnson is in Gods family what should your response to him be? I have just posted So when people tell me I try to obey the Lord , God showed me that really means no I do not obey Him always . with legs growing out instead of the more impressive healings AUTHenticity= AUTHor, AUTHority It is all about Him and not of us at all. Are you willing to turn from your sins and put your faith / hope / trust in Jesus Christ? Andrew and Torben, you are positively RIGHT ON! weird, eerie, uncanny mean mysteriously strange or fantastic. Likewise, the couple is the parent of their children in every way. Indeed, this is something we need to seriously consider and pray about doing. I turn on the water in our shower and, lo and behold, all the dirt, dust etc. Agreed Andrew.avoid those who 2Tim3v5,,,,have a form of godliness but deny the power.we need miracles and healings etc .and oh how we need discerning of spirits to get delivered from the power of darkness and lazy religious demons.. Jesus hasnt changed! How he heals is also a choice made by each believer because many think different on this also. 5 Remember then from what heights you have fallen. [email protected], You know friends I totally get and appreciate both sides of the questioning miracles argument. Another thought in regard to your important statement `the simplicity of Christ,` is that it leads us to focussing on the `true,` as Andrew Strom has encouraged us to do. Romans 6-8 Seems that every time the Lord does something through someone, that is when the enemy wants to come in and steal kill and destroy, that which He has done. God always has and always will place things in the midst of His miracles that cause the insincere and the sceptic to be scandalized over and can be interpreted as either genuine or a scam. God said for us to acknowledge him in all our ways and he will direct our paths. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. He had gout and after two weeks of taking his meds and diet, he was still getting worse. Yeshua is not returning for Christians He is only returning for His sheep who hear His voice and follow Him. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Bill Johnsons ministry could not save her and she died. To date they only hear and see at best a cheap immigration of Jesus works and voice in His people. This is nothing but human sorcery at its worst . No one could get him to stop rejoicing and praising God. Are you serious? Jesus had no thought of creating an organization or formal group around Himself, nor did he teach disciples to form any such organized group. Most interpret that to be saying that they will say that they themselves are Christ, but I do not believe that is what it is saying. Our steps are to grow brighter and brighter. As of 2022, Lene is currently 46 years old and was born on April 5, 1976. His reply? Let the cheap Jesus impersonations cease! Brother Seymour asked the crowd, Would you like to see God have a wonderful time here tonight? Come on people! If I were putting my life out in the public eye with videos on the Internet, then I would expect true believers to test what I was doing. It is not his teachings that I have flagged so much. To complete your salvation? Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. Not just be exposing the False. happening. Have we thrown out of the bible all the SUPERNATURAL POWER OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD? He believes that the Holy Spirit, acting through him, can heal people. This reminds me of something I heard a Man of God preach about. WHENEVER HE WANTS TO AND THROUGH ANYONE HE WANTS TO. Its far more common then people realize. I am currently looking for people who got involved in The Last Reformation or with Torben Sondergaard (its leader). Going beyond the person to see what the Lord is doing in & through them. Thank God for this man from Scandinavia who was prepared to get out the boat and walk on water! Jda 016, None of us are perfect. Neither did He give any dogmas or creeds which may be used to distinguish believers from non-believers. intolerant, hate mongers, bigots, homophobes, etc.) Christians out on the street very quickly to pray for the sick and However, when I have sinned and defiled my soul, I MUST go to Jesus and plead with Him to wash me with his blood. The Holy Spirit doesn't require a cookbook instruction manual the TLR promotes." Wow.Amen Marie! His touch cleansed the leper, raised the dead, & restored the ear Peter had severed. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from PrisonDr. He fixed my brokenness. Or worst, you are possibly even demon possessed according to Torben and this is what is blocking the false Holy Spirit from entering you and baptising you in FIRE. He tells us to wait, to wait in our Jerusalem for the power from on high, for the spirits unction and then to go out. This is what has happened throughout history and is nothing new. Be very careful. Sadly, Torben chose to include the oldest parlor trick in the book, making someones supposedly shorter leg grow longer. THEN they INQUIRED OF THE LORD to see why their men were slaughtered. I can understand that. How different Jesus was from those sectarians who, like the Scribes and Pharisees, search sea and land to make a member of their group, only to make him twice as much the child of Hell as themselves (Matt. the Hebrew word: yare is used 305 times in the OT.most OFTEN in the NEGATIVE. We have almost lost the ability to discern. Im honestly smiling about this; not offended one bit, though I do feel sorry for yall. Somebody asked about Bill Johnson He is the current Mayor of WIERDSVILLE or at least Deputy Mayor! (Luke 7: 14) Friends are expressing dismay that a Danish man who works tirelessly spreading the gospel around the world has been arrested in America over charges of smuggling arms from Mexico into America. Contrary to almost any other Christian denomination, he teaches that salvation for a Christian is completed through baptism in water not using the Trinitarian formula,[19]as well as through baptism in the Holy Spirit with the manifestation of speaking in tongues, often saying dadadaadadadaa.[20][21][22][23][24]He also teaches that just as Jesus received the Holy Spirit through water baptism, it is through baptism that a Christian receives the Holy Spirit. He thought God was going to leave him hanging out on a limb after Moses said all the things God told him to say. Tags: Baptism of the Holy SpiritKundaliniLast ReformationSpeaking in TonguesTorben Sndergaard. Please take a look. Torben himself said we NEVER feel anything, but didnt Jesus feel something when the power of God flowed from Him into the woman who had the issue of blood? The Gospel of Luke is about Christ the Mediator, the One who is touched with the feelings of our infirmities. This is how His Kingdom comes in the earth! Thank you Roger for letting us know he`s OK. Tell him he is missed & know that God is with him. Just like Jesus did with his own disciples. In whatever FORM God deems necessary for the people to BELIEVE that He exists and that He is GOOD/can be TRUSTED. You mean well but you are not. (Isaiah 60:1-4 KJV) Finally, he came up with the idea of just going from room to room in the hospital to pray for people. That is a very big issue, in my view. Sndergaard was arrested on June 30 in Orlando, Florida for "gun smuggling," even though he was never charged with that crime and vehemently denies any such activity. To all you dear brethren who choose to criticize, please repent and instead get out there and do it. John the Baptists baptism in water was a baptism of repentance, but when Jesus Came, you are to be spiritually baptised into the One and only Baptism of Jesus Christ. It has got to the point where I can hardly I guess I was one of those people Andrew is referring too. Lol of hyper-grace and hyper-charismania. Thank you for your comment. All those people say they got healed and you call them liars, prove they are lying! Person will mostly manifest a demon (Satan has to put on a show after all). God is everywhereeven in the news. Tragically, very few insights about his significant other are accessible on the internet. It's time we start obeying Jesus' words and make disciples of all nations. Guess most like the overblown antics that most of todays healers/preachers do. Remove the hardness and scar tissues of doubt, unbelief, ungodly fear and incredulity we recieved from those days of past deception. (Hebrews 9:22). What Averyl said is very sensible. So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. Jesus insisted that men have faith in Him, love Him and have koinonia with Him: He who is not with me is against me; and he that does not gather with me scatters . Then what am I crying for? Bill Johnson can not save anyone, only God can. So the Hebrews ASSUMED THEY KNEW GODS FORMULA FOR SUCCESS. According to people present, Todd Bentley said: In the Bible, in John 5 provides a healing outpouring the Pool of Bethesda, which means an outpouring of grace. He senses the tragedy of a disabled body, whether through lameness, deafness, blindness or dumbness. And I will add that God will SEND His apostles, and prophets, etc.. to the people, just as He did with John the Baptist and every other man and woman of God that He has used over the centuries. You work so hard to promote the flesh that you think you can discredit or attack anyone who says any trickster can appear to lengthen a leg a half inch. Amen!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOPcBry4-k. Time will tell if Torben has been sent by God to do the ministry works of Jesus as His ambassador on this earth. eerie suggests an uneasy or fearful consciousness that mysterious and malign powers are at work . They have mishandled the power and things of God, and trying to be as God, and now it has become as a snake in their hands, to turn and bite them, bringing death. Jesus healed in the synagogue too. (Acts 19:4) Then said Paul,John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.. See this article: Ask to pray for a person, any person, hijack them in the street or a store if necessary, and lay your lands on them if possible. And thank you Andrew and Torben. Try it you will like it!!! I just read 1 Kings 18. They will do miracles and mighty works like the magicians in the palace of pharoah, when Moses, on the Lords instruction, had his staff turned into a snake. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? See also John 1:12-13. I totally disagree with his position. Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: Rom 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Bob Jones is the guy who told Todd Bentley about Emma the angel. To reveal Christ to us in Revelation, there are 330 references to the figures, shadows, types, patterns, persons & buildings of the Old Testament. The lawsuit states the belief that Sndergaard's arrest by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement(ICE) officerwas based on "anonymous tips" that "originated from (the) Defendant's misinformation.". i would be interested in your comments on Isaiah Saldivar who has miracles happening on the streets, in his home and in church. https://friendsoftorben.comINTERVIEW WITH DR. BROWNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bhiwc_nm_UOUR MOVIEShttps://thelastreforma. The Lord Himself showed His disciples, No indeed Trenton, I dont think hes a charlatan either, the thought never even entered my mind. God doesnt need your help in getting His truth out. 5)HIS WORD IS ALIVE AND ACTIVE IN ME, (Jesus Christ is called The Word of God Rev 19:13 NASB He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.). He came back to Houston a broken and disillusioned man. So I hope we will pray for these brothers that they will be able to stand and remain in simplicity when the enemy comes, that the fear of the Lord would be the beginning of wisdom in every area and situation. Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. By whose authority do you come hear and tell us that those people were not healed by Jesus? .Jesus warned His disciples against having this sectarian spirit. As a work? 38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. The Art of Revelation by Jonathan Welton (Intro, Chapter 1 & 2) He and his work are counterfeit. He claims that about 90 percent of all the people, that he or others in his team pray for, are healed. Sean, son your spirit is so not in tune with Jesus Hearts cry. Because they have slowly over time been taught and have become habituated to WIERDSVILLE !!!! The MOLECULES in Jesus body dis-assembled and went through a wall and then re-assembled. I am so thankful that there are faithful saints who yield to the simplicity of the gospel and have the nerve to go out and reach people in streets. Acts 5:38-39 Jesusanswered,Verily,verily,I sayunto thee,Excepta manbe bornofwaterandofthe Spirit,he cannotenterintothe kingdomof God. Jim makes a very good point. Dit is jammer dat jy nie vanuit my, Seeing that you are in South Africa, and you and, Hullo Tom. `in His right hand He held the 7 sealed book.`, This shows the reconciliative advocacy of the exalted Son of Man. Johnathan Isreal- I am not ashamed to take the Lords name Christian you can say it was a handle the worldly people mockingly gave to the early followers of Jesus Christ if you want ( I doubt you are right about that enormous leap of assumption as the text does not say what you so dogmatically assume. If we start treating them as playthings and as idols, then we are as those trying to carry and play with fire with bare hands, and I have been a witness of this. Youre right on that. (Matthew 3:11-12) John the Baptist says: I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear:he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Jhn 17:14 NASB I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Today is the day of salvation, work while it is yet day. Updated 7 Dec, 2020. Ive had no pain since that time. To me when I was less aware of how He is working through my brothers and sisters was when I put Him in a box more, thinking that He used everyone pretty much the same. I continued to suffer pain for almost another year, before going to a chiropractor, where I was first x-rayed, then we discussed my history. Read and KNOW the scriptures people, for the sake of the Kingdom of God and for the sake of your own selves and your families. I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me. In such statements as these, Jesus made it clear that He is the sole and perfect means of salvation, and except through Him there is no salvation (compare Acts 4:12). Jesus condemned the Pharisees not because they did not belong to His group, but because of their hypocrisy, untruthfulness and lack of love. When the Lord God does a work it is holy.and we should be in awe enough to not handle it with our hands of flesh and make an idol of it, much less glory in it. They did not rejoice at the healings at all. A bad tree CAN NOT bear good fruit nor can a good tree bear bad fruit. There are so many trying, Ernie wrote: I am not saying you highlighting false teaching, ChosenJulia. And what I learn from these ones is how the Holy Spirit through them has a real heart & compassion for those they come in contact with & that is making me address the `now,` as well as an eye on `direction.`. But where are these authentic Jesus miracles in WIERDSVILLE ? I perceive a very tiny bit of pride, but only the amount I would expect from any believer. Besides which, if the Pharisees can witness healing and deliverance and accuse Jesus of having a demon, you just wont convince everyone even if they are standing right next to it when a miracle happens. It is necessary for the natural thinking world to see the supernatural part of God operating through us, because we are all spirit filled and supernatural beings too, and God is also a spirit. Luk 9:49 KJV And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. The devil visited Jesus, just as the devil visits us in one form or another. mania in recent times, it is very easy to become cynical about There have been times that you have fallen prey to allowing your zeal to post a story that was later found out to be untrue or not of the Lord. Just like the Grant that we can trust you again . Exd 4:3 KJV And he said, Cast it on the ground. But Yeshua calls His followers sheep. I agree with Andrew that there is a difference between cynicism and discernment. God is everywhereeven in the news. Amen!!! Luke, the beloved physician shows the Lord`s pity, His grace, His considerate care & tender touch, His sincere sympathy & loving look, His mercy & compassion all blended into perfect harmony in one person our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ. Boy! My email is [email protected] in case you dont want yours to be public you can send me directly if that is ok with you. it deeply grieves me to see people getting so cynical that they To handle Gods holy miraculous things with hands of flesh brought forth death not life. Jesus MULTIPLIED BREAD AND FISH in a sleight of hand. They actually believe what they are doing is through the power of the Holy Spirit. Torben is the real deal because he seeks Christ and Christ alone. Lets be respectful to one another as co-inheritors of the Kingdom and not act in our flesh. Could you ever imagine Jesus holding up a persons legs, showing the legs to be different sizes? The Youth and Children of Azusa Street Tell Their Stories Retold by Brother Tommy. As Jeff Moore so elegantly wrote, Why should the Devil have all the good music? Besides which, you dont hear this kind of thing preached. Seymour then asked the one-armed man, Can you work with just the one arm? The predominant aim of Revelation is the setting forth the splendours of the Son of Man, & to reveal His glorious person. Why shouldnt the Truth be out there as well? Sondergaard, as he prayed for the sick on the streets and in the That is how Jesus does what He wants to do thru us. 'This is Going to Come to America': Evangelist Forced to Flee Denmark and Seek Asylum in US, Evangelist Torben Sndergaard's Wife Says Her Husband Was Not Arrested for 'Smuggling' or Any Other Crime, Mom Chooses Life on an Abortionist's Table, Finally Meets Her Grateful Son 2 Decades Later and the Tears Flow, 'The Chosen' Creators Announce Season 3 Finale to Premiere in Theaters Nationwide - The Reaction Is Stunning, Viral Video: Mall Security Guard Tells Man Wearing 'Jesus Saves' T-Shirt 'Take It Off Or Leave', 'All Glory to GOD!' There is no more marvelous manifestation in the life of Jesus than that manifestation of healing through the apostle Paul. You will be glad you did. 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. He claims that " about 90 percent of all the people, that he or others in his team pray for, are healed". Too many of us have gone too far the other way as a result of the charismania hype and false revivals. Because he wants to give us the more. Why have we not seen this? etc, support Bob Jones. This went on for quite some time, before he was exposed. Im really excited about God doing miracles in EvangelismBut like someone else already pointed out: Shouldnt one also combine these Healings with the Gospel of Repentance? We begged my unbelieving husband to let us pray for him. This is nothing but human sorcery at its worst . Therefore, when the scripture talks about bringing GLORY to the Lord; GLORIFYING the Lord etc etc Faith is rising in my heart that God can use any of his children to minister to the sick. Attributing some of the esoteric and bizzare paychotic behavior manifestations of the historic revivals ( which was highly suspect in the eyes of most revival leaders of previous generations) AS NORMAL. 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